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People I (Mostly) Admire

68. “No One Can Resist a Jolly, Happy Pig.”

People I (Mostly) Admire

Freakonomics Radio + Stitcher

Society & Culture

4.61.9K Ratings

🗓️ 26 March 2022

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

Naturalist Sy Montgomery explains how she learned to be social from a pig, discovered octopuses have souls, and came to love a killer that will never love her back.

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0:00.0

My guest today is bestselling author and naturalist Simeon Kamri.

0:08.8

The Boston Globe describes her as part Indiana Jones and part Emily Dickinson.

0:13.6

Her best-known book is The Soul of an Octopus, which was a finalist for the National Book

0:17.3

Award for Nonfiction in 2015, but she's written about everything from tarantulas to hyenas

0:24.0

to hummingbirds to pink dolphins and as far as I can tell, she's fallen in love with

0:29.6

every one of them.

0:32.1

They look absolutely otherworldly.

0:34.3

They've got these enormous legs and these big feet that look like tyrannosaurus rex.

0:39.5

And I thought, oh my gosh, I want to know everything I could possibly learn about them.

0:45.8

Welcome to People I Mostly Admire with Steve Levin.

0:51.9

Reading her books, I've always felt like there was something very special, almost magical

0:57.0

about her.

0:58.4

I suspect it's because she's devoted her life to animals, but outside the traditional

1:03.6

academic path, which requires and rewards specialization, that manages to take all the

1:09.4

joy out of things, and as a consequence, she's been able to retain a child-like excitement

1:14.3

in her writing.

1:15.3

I'm curious to see if she agrees with me on that, or maybe whether she regrets not following

1:20.8

an academic path.

1:27.2

So you've written that most of your teachers have been animals.

1:31.3

It's true.

1:32.3

It's interesting, because there are people who spend a lot of time with animals or studying

1:36.6

animals who maybe don't recognize them as teachers.

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