#679 - Manufacturing Consensus

Michael and Us

Luke Savage and Will Sloan

Society & Culture

4.5 • 696 Ratings

🗓️ 22 December 2025

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

What happens when a historian who loves the American presidency is faced with a president like Donald Trump? We discuss the HBO documentary THE SOUL OF AMERICA (2020), about Joe Biden's favourite historian, Jon Meacham, as he struggles to make sense of the Trump era. Join us on Patreon for an extra episode every week - https://www.patreon.com/michaelandus "The Man Who Loved Presidents" by Thomas Frank - https://harpers.org/archive/2021/07/jon-meacham-thomas-frank-soul-of-america/ "The End of Resistance History" by Charlotte E. Rosen - https://proteanmag.com/2025/01/20/the-end-of-resistance-history/ "The Fight for the Four Freedoms" by Harvey J. Kaye - https://www.simonandschuster.ca/books/The-Fight-for-the-Four-Freedoms/Harvey-J-Kaye/9781451691443 "Take Hold of Our History" by Harvey J. Kaye - https://www.collectiveinkbooks.com/zer0-books/our-books/take-hold-of-our-history Our two previous episodes on Michael Moore Hates America (2004) https://soundcloud.com/michael-and-us/episode-8-michael-moore-hates-america https://www.patreon.com/posts/300-300th-61042533

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0:00.0	Are we rolling? Are we rolling? Are we doing this? Is this thing on? Is this thing on?
0:14.1	Welcome to Michael and us. I'm Will Sloan. Here is always with.
0:17.1	Luke Savage, welcome back, everyone. How are you doing, Luke?
0:20.3	Well, I'm a little sore, actually,
0:22.2	from this pub quiz I did this week. Oh, yeah? Did you win? Well, no. So I did another, this is my second,
0:28.7	the second pub quiz I've done in the last month or so with my friend Greg. He's like a quiz guy.
0:33.7	He was on University Challenge in the UK, which British listeners may have seen or may be familiar with.
0:39.4	And Greg, who's been doing these things for years, said this is like the worst one he's ever had.
0:44.3	Like, we did so badly.
0:45.8	The first one we did, I think we were in third and we were just a couple points away from the top.
0:49.9	This one, when I tell you that there was an entire half category that was Charlie X, CX related,
0:56.5	and that was our best category, like I was able to just through kind of clues, like get a few
1:02.9	of those right. But okay, one of the questions, the answer was baby gronk, okay? Yeah, baby. I don't
1:09.7	know what the question was, but what is baby gronk? You know, it's funny. When we started this podcast, we were young men. We were in our mid-20s when we started this podcast. This is apparently the nickname for some NFL star, Baby Gronk. Okay, and this one, okay, there was one question where the question had something to do with there is a bathroom saga.
1:29.4	That's how it was referred to that has been optioned by Michael Bay reportedly.
1:33.6	Wait, a bathroom saga.
1:34.8	Bathroom saga.
1:35.8	So would you be able to get what that was?
1:37.8	God, I have one of those practically every day nowadays.
1:40.3	So when I tell you the answer to that was skibbitty toilet. Oh. You know the, who can forget? The classic bathroom saga, Skibbitty toilet. So I most, I'm most, I'm, what the fuck is Skibbitty Toilet. I mostly know that because of that Stephen Colbert clip where he had Skibbitty Biden. And it was Biden. Well, let's just drop the audio in right now. Skibbitty Biden.
2:17.9	Skibody, Skibody, Skibody, Skiddy, Skiddy, Biden. Skiddy, Schu-Jod, Joe, Jop. Skiddy, Skiddy, Skiddy, Biden. Hitler's language. Trump, Trump is using Hitler's language. Hitler's language. Trump is using Hitler's language. Hey, scimidi, skimidi.
2:20.2	Hear that, that's classic Colbert comedy.
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