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674. How Does a Composer Feel After the World Premiere?

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🗓️ 8 May 2026

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

Great. Then depressed. Then great again. Stephen Dubner gets the full story from David Lang; we also hear from some fans, and the New York Philharmonic’s president. The math and the aftermath of “wealth of nations.” (Part two of a series.)

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The secret, the very single secret.

0:10.0

At the end of March, the composer David Lang debuted a modern piece of music set to a 250-year-old book, Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations.

0:20.2

The establishment. 50-year-old book, Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations.

0:31.3

It had four sold-out performances by the New York Philharmonic, conducted by Gustavo Doudemel.

0:38.3

Last week on the show, we heard from Lang about the origins of the piece, and we sat in on a few rehearsals. We also attended one of the performances.

0:40.3

To...

0:41.3

Afterward, we spoke with some audience members in the lobby.

0:58.0

I'm here on a band trip, and this was one of the activities, so yeah.

1:02.0

I really like all of the crescendos and how it was all building up to a really big moment at the end.

1:07.0

I think it actually speaks to what is most beautiful about humans, that we feel better

1:13.6

when we help others.

1:14.6

I think that's a beautiful, emotional and pragmatic loop.

1:19.6

This is the kind of piece that Philharmonic should be doing.

1:22.6

It was also interesting watching Gustavo Dutamel up close.

1:26.6

He was really into it. I mean, he was

1:29.3

really inside the piece. The published reviews were also positive. Stacey Vanek-Smith,

1:38.6

writing for Bloomberg, said that David Lang had shown that economics, often reduced to stock

1:43.6

tickers and earnings reports,

1:45.6

can, in fact, be profoundly human. And what about Lang himself? How did he feel about the first

1:52.3

performances of his new composition? Well, he was pleased and proud, at least for a little while.

1:59.6

Last week, I was a superstar.

2:01.9

This week, I'm nothing.

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