I'm Neil de Gras Tyson.

Hey I'm Adam Carolla.

Hi, my name is Payne Gillette.

Not only listening, I'm the guest.

I'm of Penn and Teller, and I am the fourth listener.

And I am the fourth listener.

And that must make me at least the fourth listener.

To keep our three listeners coming back we must be doing something right and if you're

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And we're gonna sue David Smalley for slander. The world divided. It's time to resurrect nuance and remember the importance of conversation.

He's an actor. He's a comedian and he'll make you think.

This is David C. Smalley.

And that, as we all now know, is a lie from the pits of hell.

Not David C. Smalley. a lie from the pits of hell.

Not David C. Smalley.

And not, actually, maybe not hell

now that I think of it, because today's guest is a Mormon.

And I actually, although I've read, under the Banner of Heaven which was an amazing book about

the Mormon Church I don't remember their take on Hell so we're going to ask him about the

Mormon take on Hell so maybe it's a lie from the pits of Utah?

I don't know. That said, today's guest is a repeat guest again and it is a comedian again. And like I always say, you know, I've said in the past that when I bring these fellow comics on that this is a friend of mine, I always mean friendly more or less but except today this is not just a friend this is somebody I'm proud to call a friend because this is not just a great guy this is a great comedian and you're all going to find out what a great comedian is because he just

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