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Bad People

67. Gangster: Career Criminals

Bad People

BBC

Society & Culture, True Crime, Unknown

4.41.1K Ratings

🗓️ 28 July 2022

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

If you‘ve already made millions and you know you’re being watched, why keep offending? Curtis Warren was one of Britain’s wealthiest drug barons, who had a remarkable journey from the streets of Liverpool to the summit of the international cocaine trade. He was the first person to trade directly with the notorious Cali Cartel in South America, and the courts eventually asked him to pay back an incredible £198 million. Yet Curtis Warren has spent the majority of his adult life behind bars, unable to enjoy his ill-gotten gains. So if you’ve already made a fortune from crime, and you know the authorities are on to you, what keeps you going back for more? Why wouldn’t you just lie low and enjoy spending your money? Is it a career, a habit, an addiction, or something else? On this episode of Bad People Dr Julia Shaw is joined by Livvy Haydock from the podcast ‘Gangster’, which tells the story of Curtis Warren from the streets of Toxteth in the 1980s to becoming Interpol’s ‘Target One’. This episode contains clips from the BBC Radio Five Live podcast Gangster: The Story of Curtis Warren. CREDITS Presenters: Dr Julia Shaw and Livvy Haydock Producer: Ben Motley Editor: Anna Lacey Music: Matt Chandler Commissioning Executive: Dylan Haskins Commissioning Assistant Producer: Adam Eland #BadPeople_BBC Bad People is produced in partnership with The Open University and is a BBC Audio Science Production for BBC Sounds.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Ever wondered what the world's wealthiest people did to get so ridiculously rich?

0:05.5

Our podcast Good Bad Billionaire takes one billionaire at a time and explains exactly how they made their money.

0:11.9

And then we decide if they are actually good, bad or just plain wealthy.

0:15.5

So if you want to know if Rihanna is as much of a bad guy as she claims,

0:19.2

or what Jeff Bezos really did to become the first person in history to pocket a hundred billion dollars,

0:24.6

listen to Good Bad Billionaire with me, Simon Jack, and me, Zingsing.

0:28.5

Listen, on BBC Sounds.

0:32.4

BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, Podcasts.

0:35.9

Three, two, one.

0:37.8

Livi, what's the strangest thing you've ever done in your work as an investigative journalist?

0:42.8

I think the strangest thing that's happened is I got bitten on the face.

0:46.7

By a person?

0:47.7

By a man, yeah.

0:48.8

What?

0:51.8

On this episode, I'm delighted to speak with investigative journalist Livi Hedok,

0:56.0

who has become an expert on gangsters, producing and reporting on Moped crime gangs,

1:01.3

kidnap gangs, and gangs that steal your puppies to name just a few.

1:06.4

So how did you find yourself getting bitten in the face by a human?

1:11.5

Well, to cut along the story short, I was working in Kingston, Jamaica,

1:15.0

following drug gangs there.

1:16.5

And we were filming in a particularly garrison,

1:19.2

which is the sort of neighborhoods there.

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