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The Michael Shermer Show

67. Dr. Christian Smith — Atheist Overreach: What Atheism Can’t Deliver

The Michael Shermer Show

Michael Shermer

Dialogue, Science, Reason, Michaelshermer, Natural Sciences, Skeptic

4.4921 Ratings

🗓️ 21 May 2019

⏱️ 96 minutes

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Summary

In recent years atheism has become ever more visible, acceptable, and influential. Atheist apologists have become increasingly vociferous and confident in their claims: that a morality requiring benevolence towards all and universal human rights need not be grounded in religion; that modern science disproves the existence of God; and that there is nothing innately religious about human beings. In Atheist Overreach, Christian Smith takes a look at the evidence and arguments, and explains why we ought to be skeptical of these atheists' claims about morality, science, and human nature. He does not argue that atheism is necessarily wrong, but rather that its advocates are advancing crucial claims that are neither rationally defensible nor realistic. Their committed worldview feeds unhelpful arguments and contributes to the increasing polarization of today's political landscape. Everyone involved in the theism-atheism debates, in shared moral reflection, and in the public consumption of the findings of science should be committed to careful reasoning and rigorous criticism.

In this podcast conversation about his book Smith and Shermer get into the weeds of…

  • what constitutes moral values
  • objectivity of right and wrong
  • the secular moral philosophies of Philip Kitcher, Sam Harris, Peter Singer, and Steven Pinker
  • Aristotle, Kant, Hume, Rawls: who is right?
  • pluralism and morality
  • theism and can it deliver the objective moral values it promises?
  • moral progress.

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0:00.0

My guest today is Christian Smith. He is a professor. He is the William R. Keenan

0:06.3

junior professor of sociology at the University of Notre Dame. He holds an MA and PhD in sociology from Harvard University and he studied at Harvard Divinity School.

0:17.0

And he's taught at Notre Dame, the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill and at Gordon College.

0:22.9

Massachusetts, his new book is Atheist Overreach.

0:27.0

And the subtitle is,

0:28.6

What Atheism Can't Deliver?

0:30.5

So you can imagine why.

0:31.5

I wanted to have Christian on the on the podcast so we

0:35.1

get into all of that. He really wanted to stay focused on the book, which is fine.

0:41.6

Toward the end I do push him in terms of his own theist

0:47.0

support structure for absolute moral values

0:50.8

or correct objective moral values or whatever you want to call them to get beyond

0:55.2

as you'll hear his challenges to consequentialism which most of the philosophies that like myself and

1:01.6

Sam Harris, Steve Pinker, Philip Kitchcher talk about,

1:05.0

kind of boiled down to that consequentialist

1:08.0

utilitarian type arguments.

1:10.0

He wants to go for more than that,

1:11.0

but as you'll hear, he really can't justify it

1:15.0

theistically he's a Catholic but but almost the entire podcast is based not on

1:22.0

a theist versus atheist argument it's

1:24.8

atheist overreach and I think he has some good points for I think there's

1:29.4

sociological reasons why sometimes atheists feel they have to overreach. But we really get into the

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