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Hey everybody. Today's episode is brought to you by the Campfire Poetry Project. This is something

I've been waiting for for a long time. Produced by Monicello Park Productions,

the Camp Fire Poetry Project turns classic poems into short films. It breathes new life into the

original text, and it re-contextualizes these poems, revealing how the issues that the artists

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project, please visit Campfirepoetry.com. That? Welcome to The Other People Show. My name's Brad Listy. It's good to be with you. I appreciate you listening. I'm here in Los Angeles, and I have Emerson Whitney on the program today. He is the author of a memoir called Heaven, available now from McSweeney's.

Heaven is a meditation on mother's self and trans identity. Them calls it, quote, the trans

memoir for everyone. Heaven was named a best book by the AV Club Paper Magazine, Lit Hub, Miss Magazine, Refinery 29, the Seattle Times, and more.

Heaven by Emerson Whitney.

That conversation is coming up in just a moment.

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