Radio Mano, Papa Chango. All right, welcome to another commercial free episode of tangentially speaking.

Episode number, I don't know what, and something they're just they just keep coming

it's amazing it's like rain in the monsoon uh my guest is a really fascinating dude manvier sing

is his name he's a smarty pants. He went to Harvard.

He writes for the New Yorker.

He's surprisingly young when I saw him in the Zoom video.

I was like, oh, wait, this guy's half the age I was expecting.

He's a cool guy.

He's written a book called Shamanism, The Timeless Religion.

I've read a lot about shamanism over the years.

So when his agent reached out, I normally don't do these sorts of podcasts that are, you know,

agents and agencies contact me all the time.

You know, normally they're like some business guy, you know, how to maximize your internet operation and, you know, monetize.

Like, they have no idea who I am and they've got some AI tool, I'm sure, that, you know,

scans the podcast listings and finds people with an audience that's worth their time and then,

you know, scans the description of the podcast.

So I get all these fake- emails like hey Chris I really love your

podcast tendentially speaking with Chris Ryan I particularly loved the recent episode with Eric Zuleger

where you talked about travel and international affairs and it's like it's so obviously

and then it always ends with like when can we jump on the phone and talk about this you know how it's either, it's so obviously, and then it always ends with like, when can we jump on the phone

and talk about this?

You know, it's either how I can maximize your income by hooking you up with the proper

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