Hi everyone, Sarah here and welcome to the squiggly career podcast. And this week's episode,

number 66, is something a little bit different. So regular listeners will know that as well as the

podcast, Helen and I have a business called Amazing If. An Amazing If came from a very informal chat

and coffee one day where we were talking about our careers,

how they become really squiggly, and also how lots of people were not enjoying what they were

doing. And our kind of phrase that really fuelled, I guess, our business was,

wouldn't it be amazing if we could make work better for everyone? And so that's a mission

that we're really passionate about. And we know we're not the only ones.

And so we thought after 66 episodes, occasionally a hiatus from listening to Helen and I might be quite a nice break.

And so once a month we're going to have a guest on the podcast.

And that'll always be someone who we think is really kind of furthering the cause in terms of making work better for

everyone. Our first guest is someone I'm so excited about. You will hear us recommend Bruce

Daisley's podcast, eat, sleep, work, repeat, loads of times. Not because we don't listen to loads

of podcasts, but because it's genuinely that good. If you want to listen to amazing guests, world

leading experts in their field, it's

absolutely the place to go. And almost I'm disappointed if I have to listen to it while I'm

walking because I want to be making notes. So I'm so delighted to have Bruce with us. So hey, Bruce.

Hello there. That's very nice. Oh. And also it's lovely to be in the same room. So lots of you

will know, Helen and I often record these remotely.

But Bruce and I are sitting in a very lush, lovely, posh, yeah, doing it properly, which feels only appropriate given today we're here to talk about Bruce's new book,

which is The Joy of Work, out yesterday.

And what we're going to do is talk a bit about what he's found out through the book

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