Hello everyone, it's Adam. Before launching into this episode, I'd like to invite you to an

upcoming Zoom conference that I am doing with Kathy Lorzel on Saturday, May 13th. The purpose of

the conference is to equip you to engage another person's story. In other words, Kathy and I are

going to teach the art and the science behind how to engage another person's story well.

You can sign up for the conference at my website, adamioncounseling.com. The cost is 129 and if

you can't make it on May 13th, you will still get access to the video recording of the conference

for three months. I hope to see you there and now let's dive into today's episode.

Welcome back to the place we find ourselves podcasts. I'm Adam Young and this is Part 2 of my

interview with Jenny McGrath about the importance of paying attention to the sensations in our

physical bodies when it comes to healing from trauma. Some of the ground we cover today includes

what can be done when you can't feel the sensations in your body. In other words, what do you do if

you feel numb? We also talk about doing body work to heal the trauma that is stored in the body.

When it comes to healing, paying attention to your body and working with your body is oh so very

important. Thanks for listening to Part 2 of my conversation with Jenny McGrath.

As you were talking Jenny, I was thinking about the truth and reconciliation hearings in South Africa

because what and especially as you were talking about movement in Uganda,

in South Africa during the truth and reconciliation hearings, when someone was giving testimony about

the atrocities they had experienced when they were being heard and they began to get dysregulated,

there would be a pause and people would sing, they would dance, they would move, they would shake,

but their body, there was a pause in the testimony and the bodies were allowed to move.

Can you speak about that Jenny? Why are you smiling? I just, I love that. I think that was

what I feel like I was very honored to witness in Uganda. Ways of ritual, ways of movement, ways of

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