This is our in Jones, welcome to the podcast. Today, Mary Lume Donald is the leader of

Sinn Fein. Now, a few weeks ago, I spoke to her, given Sinn Fein has become the biggest

party south of the border, as well as, of course, being very, very strong in the north

of Ireland, having served as part of the power sharing agreement and many things on course

to becoming the biggest single party there, as well. I want to talk to her about what

it's all about the Sinn Fein phenomenon. Is there a chance that Sinn Fein could establish

a government? Is a united Ireland really possible? What's going on in communities in Ireland

on the ground? How does Brexit interact with all of this? That was a few weeks ago, as

I say, but it's still very much relevant to what's happening now, very much worth

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Hello, what on on her? Well, hello, Owen Jones, how are you? I haven't, you and I have

not spoken for a while. I think we do an interview once a year and each year things get progressively

worse, if we're going to be honest. I'm not saying that's to do with our interviews, but

yeah. Well, I think the quality of our interviews and fairness is probably getting better as

to the kind of political environment and the quality of the discourse. Well, I think

that's kind of a mixed bag, isn't it? I think definitely more mixed here than over there

to be honest with you. Here is it's mixed, but not in a good way in any sense. I'm sure

we'll come on to that. Let's start. Let's have 2020. Let's just, how do you, because

2020 has been a whirlwind for you, but it's also being the worst year humanities as a whole

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