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Coaching for Leaders

655: How to Help Difficult Conversations Go Better, with Sheila Heen

Coaching for Leaders

Dave Stachowiak

Education, Business, Management, Self-improvement, Careers

4.81.6K Ratings

🗓️ 20 November 2023

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Sheila Heen: Difficult Conversations
Sheila Heen is the Thaddeus R. Beal Professor of Practice at Harvard Law School, a Deputy Director of the Harvard Negotiation Project, and a founder of Triad Consulting Group. She often works with executive teams to engage conflict productively, repair working relationships, and implement change in complex organizations.

She has published articles in The New York Times and the Harvard Business Review and appeared on Oprah, CNBC’s Power Lunch, and NPR. She is coauthor along with Douglas Stone of The New York Times bestseller Thanks for the Feedback and also now, in it's third edition, co-author with Douglas Stone and Bruce Patton of the iconic bestseller, Difficult Conversations: How to Discuss What Matters Most*.

When our intentions are good, it’s hard to appreciate how we could have had such negative impact on someone else. It’s equally challenging to navigate a tough conversation when someone else’s words or actions have wronged us, even if that’s not what they intended. In this conversation, Sheila and I discuss how to shift just a bit to help our difficult conversations go better.
Key Points

Intent does not equal impact.
It’s a mistake to assume that we know the other party's intentions.
It’s a mistake to assume that good intentions erase bad impact.
Prevent the first mistake by attempting to separate intent from impact. Use these three questions:


Actions: What did the other person actually say or do?
Impact: What was the impact of this on me?
Assumption: Based on this impact, what assumption am I making about what the other person intended?


To present the second mistake, listen first for feelings before sharing intent. It’s helpful also to reflect on your own intent, which may not always be as pure as initially recognized.

Resources Mentioned

Difficult Conversations: How to Discuss What Matters Most* by Douglas Stone, Bruce Patton, and Sheila Heen

Interview Notes
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Related Episodes

How to Get Way Better at Accepting Feedback, with Sheila Heen (episode 143)
How to Begin Difficult Conversations About Race, with Kwame Christian (episode 594)
How to Deal With Passive-Aggressive People, Amy Gallo (episode 595)

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When our intentions are good, it's hard to appreciate how we could have had such a negative impact on someone else.

0:07.0

It's equally challenging to navigate a tough conversation when someone else's words or actions have wronged us, even if that's not what they

0:17.2

intended. In this episode, how we can all shift just a bit to help our difficult conversations go better.

0:25.0

This is coaching for leaders episode 655.

0:30.0

Produced by Innovate Learning, Maximizing Human Potential.

0:35.0

Greetings to you from Orange County, California.

0:41.0

This is coaching for leaders, and I'm your host, California. This is coaching for leaders and I'm your host Dave Stahoviac.

0:46.6

Leaders aren't born. They're made. And this weekly show helps you discover leadership

0:51.2

wisdom through insightful conversations.

0:54.7

Oh, conversations are so critical to leaders and the work that we do and

1:00.8

being able to help make the world a bit better place to help to develop people

1:06.3

and move our organizations forward.

1:08.4

And of course, they also come with their challenges.

1:11.1

Difficult conversations are the place where leaders land

1:14.7

often in their work and so important for us to be able to get better

1:19.9

at having the most difficult conversations.

1:22.3

So those go just a bit better just a bit easier

1:25.7

and help us hopefully to get to a place where both parties are doing better and help us all move

1:30.8

forward. I'm so glad today to welcome back a guest who's absolutely

1:34.4

an expert at helping all of us navigate difficult conversations. I'm so

1:38.8

pleased to have Sheila Hine back on the show. She's the Thaddeus R Beal Professor of Practice at Harvard Law School, a deputy director for the Harvard Negotiation Project, and a founder of Triad Consulting Group. She often works with executive teams to engage conflict productively, repair working relationships, and implement change in complex organizations.

1:58.5

She has published articles in the New York Times and the Harvard Business Review and and appeared on Oprah,

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