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To that new bonus level, welcome to the dogma debate tier, you made it. This episode is a throwback

episode where I'm going to get to kind of review a conversation I had with a gay Christian.

I think women and gay people,

anyone who has been any sort of member of... and gay people.

And anyone who has been any sort of member of the LGBT QIA community,

I don't, I can't wrap my head around how anyone could have that as part of their life and also hold on to the Bible.

It's always been shocking to me, so I've always found it very interesting,

and I've always wanted to

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