what I could offer, maybe if there's somebody out there who's had like some sort of progress

or just success in general with maybe bringing some people over who, not necessarily on the left,

but just have a different opinion or think like, you know, the MPC types.

And I would just like kind of as a way of helping any of the listeners that are here to give some sort of like guidance on what I've used and what I've been successful with along the way.

So I don't know how that sounds to you,

if that's a good fair starting point,

or if you have any questions.

Yeah, sounds great.

Let me know how it's gone.

Well, you know, my wife before I met,

before I found you, I sort of found you.

You know, I actually found you through Bill Will.

His Trave-O-Modern story was all over my YouTube.

And then I tell you, you pop up a few times, and you had the same sort of breakdown.

I remember Bill Will's, it really hit me hard. Just, just the, because I was,

I was living in the area at the time that happening. And, wow, just totally like blindsided me, hit me with like, wow, if there's so much stuff that's being hidden for me, and, you know, I was literally like,

you know, around there. It was just like, wow, what else are other people missing maybe?

So you've said also many times that just be honest. And like when you start your debates

with people, you usually say like, okay, can we just with the other person agree, what we want is like for the better, that we both are trying to help.

You know what I mean?

Oh, yeah, that's why you can't help each other if you can't define terms.

So, yeah, that's certainly the goal.

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