It's time for episode 639 of the Clockwise Podcast from Relay, recorded Wednesday, January 14th, 2026.

Clockwise, Four People, For that is still writing 30 minutes in all of its spreadsheets.

My name is Dan Moran, and I'm joined across the unit by my good friend, my pal, the one and only Micah Sargent.

How are you doing today, Micah?

I am doing well, Dan. I, you know, I love not reading what you write and just waiting for it to be heard because then the reactions are very real and very live. And that was a very real, very live reaction. It was very funny. That's good. You could, it felt very disheartening for movies. Like, I just love not reading what you write.

Oh, no. Anyway, moving on. Zing. It's fine, Micah. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. This is, of course, the show where we invite two fantastic guests talk about four tech topics. We do it in just 30 minutes. to my left this week is a freelance consumer tech reporter whose work has been seen in so many places across the internet and you can

be heard right here on Relay, on material. It is Florence Ion. Welcome back, Flo. Hello, if it makes

you feel better, I never read what Andy puts in our show. I know Andy well. I'm guessing there's a lot.

But live reaction.

See?

That's right.

Exactly.

And to my left, co-host of primary technology, it's Stephen Robles.

Welcome back to the show, Stephen.

Good and talk.

Great to be here.

All right. I'm going to kick things off with my topic.

Apple launched a subscription bundle of its creative pro apps and some other apps this week.

I kind of curious if you think this is a good idea, if this is something you're interested in,

or if you feel like, you you know how this sets it up to

compete with things from other vendors like Adobe and affinity is is app bundles the way of the

future for these creative pro apps or is this just a terrible evolutionary dead end flow

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