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636. Why Aren’t We Having More Babies?

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🗓️ 13 June 2025

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

For decades, the great fear was overpopulation. Now it’s the opposite. How did this happen — and what’s being done about it? (Part one of a three-part series, “Cradle to Grave.”)

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0:00.0

So you got your PhD in economics from Harvard.

0:07.2

I know that you and your husband have eight children,

0:10.2

and you are stepmom to six more children from your husband's first marriage.

0:15.7

I'm guessing there are not many other Harvard-educated economists who have 14 children.

0:19.9

I don't know of any. Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence children? I don't know of any. Absence of

0:21.8

evidence isn't evidence of absence, but I don't know of any. Catherine Pekolic is an economics

0:27.9

professor at the Catholic University of America. I asked about her main areas of research.

0:34.5

Education, schools, fertility, family formation. And what would you say you bring to those

0:41.3

topics that the median economists might not bring? I think I bring to the table a large number of

0:49.3

things that are outside of the field. And, you know, of course, I'd be disingenuous if I didn't add that we'll

0:55.6

have a lot of kids. And so that makes you think about things a little bit differently.

0:59.4

You might say that a lot of people have started to think differently about fertility and family

1:04.2

formation. For decades, the great fear among demographers and politicians and environmentalists was overpopulation.

1:13.7

They argued that the Earth's resources simply couldn't support 3 billion people,

1:18.7

certainly not 5 billion, or 8 billion, which is where we stand today.

1:23.5

That fear hasn't totally gone away, but it has been joined by a fear of the opposite, that

1:29.7

there are now too few babies being born.

1:33.2

Here's an astonishing fact.

1:34.5

The global fertility rate has fallen by more than half over the past 50 years.

1:40.6

Why?

1:42.2

The answer to that question is complicated, and any solution is even more so.

1:48.0

Today, on Freakonomics Radio, we began a three-part series about the great arc of human life.

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