It's time for episode 631 of the Clockwise Podcast from Relay, recorded Wednesday, November 12, 2025.

Clockwise, Four People, Four my good friend, my pal. I can only assume a pie fissionishingado. It's Mikea's Sergeant. How are you doing today,

Micah? Oh yeah, very much a pie lover. So this is... All right. Well, welcome. Welcome to Clockpies.

Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Well, we'll put a pin in that. But meanwhile, we will do the show

where we talk about four 10 topics with two fantastic guests.

To my left this week, it's a writer and editor who has worked for fabulous places like Wire,

ProPublica in the Wall Street Journal.

It's Meg Marco.

Welcome back, Meg.

Thank you so much.

Glad to be here.

Still looking for the daylight we supposedly saved.

And to my left, host of Android Faithful and Jason Howell on YouTube.

It's Jason Howell, believe it or not.

You don't put a pin in a pie.

You put a spoon in a pie.

I've been doing it wrong.

This is why we, oh, yeah, I think on fork.

Yeah.

Team fork.

Really?

Oh, no, a spoon. You can slop up so much more stuff with a spoon. Interesting. Well, this is a rich vein for us to discuss, but not on in this podcast, I guess. We're going to talk about four tech topics. I'm going to kick things off. Apple introduces digital ID this morning, which announced back in June, essentially unless you turn your passport into a digital ID that you have on your phone. I'm curious,

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