It's time for episode 630 of the Clockwise Podcasts from Relay, recorded Wednesday, November 5th, 2025.

Clockwise, four people, that's got more layers than your winter coat.

30, to be precise.

I'm one of your hosts, Micah, Sergeant, and I am joined across the internet by my dear pal.

My wonderful friend, it is Dan, the man. Morin. How you doing, Dan? I'm doing well, Micah. My winter

coat has only 29 layers. I am slowly suffocating. Oh, I'm, I don't know what happened to the 30th one,

but I shedded it. I just that one, whoo, to the 30th one, but.

I shedded it.

I just that one, whoo, it's gone.

Like a snake.

Why don't we?

Oh, I forgot you don't like this.

I'm sorry.

Forgive me, forgive me.

Let's introduce our wonderful guests to my left, producer, reporter at the Texas Standard,

host of the Lions, Towers, and Shields podcast, and author of iOS Access for All.

It is the Shelley, Shely Brisbane. Welcome back to the show, Shelly.

Thanks, Micah. I don't know this word winter of which you speak. Could you define that for me?

I'm from Texas. What do I know? Texas know? And to my left this week is a senior

developer advocate at GitHub and the one and only original film girl except no substitutes.

Christina Warren, welcome back, Christina. Hey, happy to be here. Happy to be here. All right, we have

four topics, but just 30 minutes, so we better get going. My topic for you is this. In light of the Amazon

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