This is Owen Jones. Welcome to the podcast. Should the North become independent? It's

a biggie. I am very honoured to be joined today by Philip Proudfot, who is the founder

of the Northern Independence Party. I want to talk to him about what does that even mean?

Why not devolution? Isn't this dividing the working class? How's it going to go in the

hardpool election? Is it a nation? As ever, do you support us if you can on

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don't, enjoy the podcast. I am very, very honoured to have me. One of the big

political sensations of the moment is true. That's just a fact. Philip Proudfot

from the Northern Independence Party, which has become a real force in British

politics. You thought 2020 in 2019 and all the other years were wacky and

surprising. Well, still some surprises in the store. But the Northern

Res, but I'm going to talk about it with you, Philip. I mean, you know, this is a

party, obviously, which advocates independence for the North. It blends that

with an unashamed support for socialism and for progressive politics. I

suppose my first question to you is, is this a joke that just span out of control?

No. So I think it's important to look at how we begun. We begun as a Twitter account

that responded to that moment when Andy Burnham was informed that Manchester

was going to get substantially less funding than the rest of the UK. And that

bred an initial like outpouring of anger. So we were at the right place at the

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