It's time for episode 623 of the clockwise podcast from Relay, recorded Wednesday, September 17th, 2025.

Clockwise, four people, where, like the screen of an Apple Watch, we're always on.

My name is Dan Moore, and I'm joined across the internet by my good friend, my pal, the one, the only.

Micah Sargent.

How are you doing today micah

i am doing well my my eyes are always watching wow that was creepy and a little bit non-sequitur

but okay that's like my kid my kid tells me he wants to sleep with his eyes open every night

which is unsettling.

What's what scary movie? Did you show your kid? All of them, apparently, because he won't

close his eyes. Anyway, this is, of course, the show where we invite on two fantastic guests to talk

four tech topics to my left this week. It is a first time guest here on Clockwise, a contributor at

Mac Stories and host of the first Last Everything podcast. It's Jonathan, great to be here.

Lovely to have you. And to my left, you know, a, host of iOS today and co-founder of Snailed It

Development. It's Rosemary Orchard. Hello, Rose. Thank you for having me back.

And I do sometimes sleep with my eyes open, apparently. I'm not entirely sure it's true,

but that's what my mom said. Terrifying. Anyways, let's get started. It's iPhone week. The iPhone

17 is reportedly better than ever. And now Apple's thrown the iPhone air in the mix as

well. My question for you, if you're using a pro, would you consider switching to the 17?

Are you considering switching the air? You stick him in the pro? Or are you on some other

buying Jag altogether? I want to want you to walk us through your sort of thoughts about the iPhone line and

where it comes to you personally if you are considering upgrading. Jonathan, let's start with you.

I've got a very, very precise upgrading schedule. I am getting the air and the air has a two-week

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