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The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk

622: Alex Hutchinson - Why We Seek Big Challenges, Adding Texture To Time, The Explorers Gene, Working Through Uncertainty, Tom Hanks, and Pushing The Limits of Human Performance

The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk

Ryan Hawk

Careers, Management, Business

4.81.3K Ratings

🗓️ 17 February 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk

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  • Be optimistic in the face of uncertainty. We discover who we are by doing it. We learn who we are in practice, not in theory. The only way to fully know if you can do it, is to do the thing. Take action. Fail sometimes. Then keep going.
  • The explore-exploit dilemma. Do we keep on the same path and stick to what we know works or do we go out into the unknown? Do we invest in R&D with no guarantee that it will pay off? This reminds me of Scott Galloway on episode #578, In order to do anything of significance in your life, you must take an uncomfortable risk.”
  • The Hard is what makes it good. From Jimmy Dugan (Tom Hanks) in A League of Their Own. The HARD stuff adds texture to time. The effort needed is a source of meaning. Similar to the Ikea paradox. There is more meaning in the piece of furniture if you assemble it. We shouldn’t run away from the hard things (like Dottie Hinson was doing in A League of Their Own)> We should run towards them. The effort is where find a source of meaning.
  • Opened with gratitude for him helping me with my first book, Welcome to Management
  • The beginnings of chapters/stories. What’s most important and what’s interesting? Use the best story you have. The beginning is super important.
  • Time with Friction - “I don’t want it to be easier.” Challenge and complexity make it more meaningful. It’s less meaningful if it’s not challenging.
  • Effort is a source of meaning.
  • The Ikea Effect. A piece of furniture is worth more to you if you put it together.
  • Why do you keep pushing your limits? What am I getting out of this? Is there some intrinsic pleasure?
  • We are wired to explore, push our limits
    • We are also wired to be lazy, to rest in between hunts. Dichotomy there.
    • Some are nomadic and some settle. It’s useful to have both.
  • Alex and his wife take their daughters with them on adventures. They earn a feeling like, “I can do anything.” Adding voluntary hardship to a child’s life can be helpful.
  • If it’s a foregone conclusion, it’s not interesting. This is why people love live sports. We don’t know how it’s going to end. Uncertainty makes it interesting. The same is true for life.
  • Uncertainty - We’re willing to pay a lot to not know the ending. The arc is important.
  • “Bold beginning of uncertain outcomes.”
  • Alex was shy and didn’t introduce himself to girls. “I would have had a better time if I wasn’t scared to ask someone out.”
  • My first job getting rejected 60 times a day. Useful.
  • His job as a newspaper intern having to go to people’s houses after their family member died in a car accident and talk with them. Made everything else seem easier.
  • Quote to open the book: “To say that we should not change wines is heresy; the tongue becomes saturated, and after the third glass even the best bottle yields but an obtuse sensation.” – Jean Anthelme Brillat-Savarin
  • Waffles – They are great. But if you have them every day, you lose the magic. A metaphor for life.
  • Life/Career Advice: Be optimistic in the face of uncertainty. Have both the exploring and exploiting mindset. Explore widely. We discover who we are by doing it. Have to do the thing.

Transcript

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We're wired to explore and we're wired to push our limits and we're wired that way because it was helpful to us as a species.

0:07.1

But we still have that wiring.

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If you know before you even start a challenge that you're going to complete it because there's no way you can fail, that challenge loses all its meaning and all its interest.

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This episode is brought to you by my friends at Insight Global. Insight Global is a

0:24.4

staffing and professional services company dedicated to being the light to the world around them.

0:30.9

If you need to hire one person, hire a team of people, or transform your business through talent

0:37.1

or technical services, Insight Global's team of people or transform your business through talent or technical services.

0:39.1

Insight Global's team of 30,000 people around the world have the hustle and grit to deliver.

0:47.2

Hiring can be tough, but hiring the right person can be magic.

0:52.2

Visit Insightglobal.com slash learning leader today to learn more.

0:57.9

That's Insightglobal.com slash learning leader.

1:05.5

Welcome to The Learning Leader Show.

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I am your host, Ryan Hawk.

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Thank you so much for being here.

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Text Hawk to 666866 to become part of Mindful Monday.

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You, along with tens of thousands of other learning leaders from all over the world,

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will receive a carefully curated email for me each Monday morning to help you start your

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week off right you'll also receive details about how our book the score that matters will

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help you become a more effective leader text Hawk to 66866 now on to tonight's

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featured leader Alex Hutchinson is the New York Times best-selling author of Endure and a National

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Magazine Award winning journalist who has contributed to the New York Times, the New Yorker, and

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many others.

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