621: We Bet $200K on Bras Before Making a Single Sale — Sold 400,000 in 2 Years | Nala

The Foundr Podcast with Nathan Chan

Nathan Chan

Entrepreneurship, Business, Marketing

4.9 • 664 Ratings

🗓️ 8 January 2026

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

Nala was built by two founders with no fashion background who invested $200,000 before making a single sale and went on to sell over 400,000 pieces in just two years. In this interview, Chloe and Phil de Winter break down how they identified a gap in the intimates market, validated demand with fewer than 300 survey responses, and scaled an Australian lingerie brand into a cult favourite with a 70% repeat purchase rate and a national retail partnership with David Jones. What you’ll learn in this interview: • How Nala validated product-market fit with just 250 survey responses • Why they invested $200K upfront before making their first sale • The guerrilla marketing stunt that went viral across Australia • How spending 30% of revenue on marketing drove hypergrowth • Why a 70% repeat purchase rate changed their ad strategy • How to manage extreme SKU complexity in apparel ecommerce • The real challenges of selling bras online at scale • How Nala overturned TikTok bans and platform restrictions • What founders get wrong about inclusivity and product design • How Nala secured a national retail partnership with David Jones By the end of this episode, you’ll understand what it actually takes to launch, fund, and scale a product-based ecommerce business in a competitive category, and how to make bold decisions without losing control of cash, culture, or customers. SAVE 50% ON OMNISEND FOR 3 MONTHS Get 50% off your first 3 months of email and SMS marketing with Omnisend with the code FOUNDR50. Just head to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://your.omnisend.com/foundr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to get started. HOW WE CAN HELP YOU SCALE YOUR BUSINESS FASTER Learn directly from 7, 8 & 9-figure founders inside Foundr+ Start your $1 trial → ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.foundr.com/startdollartrial⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ PREFER A CUSTOM ROADMAP AND 1-ON-1 COACHING? → Starting from scratch? Apply here → ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://foundr.com/pages/coaching-start-application⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ → Already have a store? Apply here → ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://foundr.com/pages/coaching-growth-application⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ CONNECT WITH NATHAN CHAN Instagram → ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/nathanchan⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ LinkedIn → ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanhchan/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ CONNECT WITH NALA Website → https://wearnala.com/ Instagram → https://www.instagram.com/wear_nala/ Chloe's Instagram → https://www.instagram.com/gochlo_pilates/ Phillip's LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/phillip-de-winter-9b480631/ FOLLOW FOUNDR FOR MORE BUSINESS GROWTH STRATEGIES YouTube → ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/2uyvzdt⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website → ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.foundr.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram → ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/foundr/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Facebook → ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/foundr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Twitter → ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.twitter.com/foundr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ LinkedIn → ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/foundr/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Podcast → ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.foundr.com/podcast⁠

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0:00.0	Hey Founder Fam, I want to talk to you about something super exciting. We're officially partnered with Omniscend, the email marketing and SMS platform built specifically for e-commerce founders. We've been recommending OmnisCent to Founder students for a while now because it just works. Whether you're launching your first store or you're scaling the seven figures, it really helps you automate your marketing and get real results.
0:24.0	Did you know on average, Omnysend customers make $68 for every $1 they spend, which is an insanely good return on investment.
0:32.6	And because you're part of the founder community, you get 50% off your first three months with the code Founder 50.
0:39.3	Just head to Omnisend.com forward slash founder without the E to get started.
0:45.0	All right.
0:45.9	Now let's jump back into the show.
0:49.0	$200,000.
0:50.8	That's how much today's guests invested in their very first product order before making a single sale.
0:56.6	And they'd never worked in fashion before. I want you to meet Chloe and Phil DeWinter. They're
1:00.8	the co-founders of Nala, the Australian Intimates brand that sold over 400,000 pieces in just
1:06.2	two years, partnered with David Jones after revolutionizing how women shop for bras
1:11.8	online so in this episode you're going to discover how they validate their
1:15.2	entire product line with just 250 survey responses the guerrilla marketing
1:19.9	stunt that put G-strings on hundreds of car windshields in Bondi that went viral
1:25.0	and why spending 30% of their revenue on marketing with a 70% repeat purchase
1:30.5	rate became their secret to hypergrowth without raising a single dollar.
1:34.8	This is an incredibly honest conversation of what it truly takes to build and launch a product-based
1:41.0	business with massive MOQs, negative platform bands and scaling without losing your sanity.
1:50.7	Hear the stories. Learn the proven methods and accelerate your growth and future through entrepreneurship.
1:58.6	Welcome to the founder podcast with Nathan Chan.
2:04.6	First and foremost, thank you so much for taking the time to be here.
2:09.2	How'd you start this brand?
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