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Dietary fiber is not that necessary if you are taking in, for instance, larger amounts of

collagen-based products because the gut bacteria, the gut biome, loves collagen.

If you're an overweight person and you're trying to lose weight,

running being catabolic means you're tapping into the muscle tissue.

So now you're an overweight person who has too much fat and wants to build

more muscle to burn off the fat but now you're running running is tearing the muscle tissue down and you're not

losing weight. Cold plunging is a traumatic experience, it's a stress. And so it doesn't necessarily discern itself as a positive stress. It's a stress.

Then there's this brown fat activation thing which I never really bought into when you got guys like

Gary Brecca saying nothing burns calories like a cold plunge.

Spent two minutes on an assault bike all out and I'll tell you what burns calories.

The science has never settled. The science is providing direction based on the

latest sets of data and indicators, but it's rare that the science has actually settled.

Mark, one of the things I really appreciate about you is the fact that over the years, as you continue to do more research, experiment on yourself, you're willing to admit where things have gone,

we won't say wrong, but where you've course cracked it and pivoted, and you've done this in the public

eye. In one area I really want to done this in the public eye.

And one area I really want to get into in the beginning here is the diet piece,

because the first time we talked years ago,

you were talking about your big-ass salad,

and now you've gone to an almost carnivore diet. Let's start with the evolution

there when you got into healthy eating and how it's evolved to where you are today.

Well you know my evolution of my eating eating goes way back to when I was an athlete and I was looking

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