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62. Dr. Ashish Jha Anticipated a Pandemic. He Didn’t Think It Would Look Like This.

Freakonomics, M.D.

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Society & Culture, Science

4.81.1K Ratings

🗓️ 18 November 2022

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

Bapu talks to White House Covid Czar Dr. Ashish Jha about becoming a household name, studying pandemics, and the frustrations of politics. Also, when will he be out of a job?

Transcript

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0:00.0

As with all things, it looks very different in retrospect than how it felt as it was happening.

0:10.3

In the early days of the pandemic, I could see what was going on both here in the US and

0:15.0

in Europe and started talking openly about how we were far behind.

0:20.0

We had been caught flat-footed, that we had missed a window of opportunity to really get

0:24.0

this virus under control.

0:26.0

If that voice sounds familiar, it's probably because you've heard it before, starting

0:30.7

in the early spring of 2020 and basically ever since.

0:35.2

My name is Ashish Jha and I'm the COVID-19 Response Coordinator for the White House.

0:39.4

Dr. Ashish Jha didn't intend to become a household name.

0:43.6

When the pandemic began, he was head of the Harvard Global Health Institute.

0:48.2

But as a public health expert who'd spent a long time researching pandemic preparedness,

0:53.9

he was in high demand as the novel coronavirus hit and kept on hitting.

0:59.3

Oh, the first few months, March through June was just crazy.

1:04.1

I probably was getting about two to three hundred media requests a day.

1:09.0

And basically it was started 6 a.m. and go to 11 p.m., initially seven days a week, until

1:15.3

I just realized I can't keep going.

1:17.8

So I started taking Saturdays off, which was good.

1:20.4

Ashish was on TV, on the radio, on Twitter, basically everywhere you looked or listened.

1:27.1

He was feeling a void that in his view never should have existed.

1:31.1

I really thought the primary source of information, good information would be coming from CDC on

1:36.0

a daily basis.

1:37.5

Some ways that just never happened.

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