Anyway, welcome back to Michael and us, everyone. As always, I'm Luke Savage, and with me, also as always, who are you?

Will Sloan, and this is why, this is why I typically do the intro, because when it's left to you, it just becomes a mess.

I make it look easy.

No, I don't think you understand.

See, what I just did was a whimsical deconstruction of the formula.

And what you do is actually just, you know, wrote and formulaic.

I mean, like Barton Fink, you disrespect the form.

You think you're going to transcend the form and create something

true and beautiful, but actually it's just piddling self-indulgence. I do think, I do think it's

very funny to do those intros because, like, I guess we have to because, you know, people are

finding this podcast in the wild, but like, you know, most people who are listening, like 95% of people who are listening,

they probably know who we are right or they probably know kind of what the show is.

It's funny.

I mean, I think intros are sort of important.

Like if we're really talking about the medium, if we're really deconstructing this form,

there's a kind of relaxed formality in

podcasting, which is like 85% relaxed and 15% formality. And that 15% formality is sort of...

It's really important. I agree. It's crucial in just maintaining the illusion that we're not

just wasting people's time. No, I mean, something you and I have talked about many times is how, like, one of the most

common pitfalls of podcasting and one of the things that makes for really bad podcasting is the

sort of cafe atmosphere ethos where people just sort of like throw the mics on and they think

that makes a podcast. And the mics on and they think that makes a

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