From Relay, this is Upgrade, Episode 616, the Marvel Universe for May 18th, 2026.

I am your host, Jason Snell.

Mike Hurley is on assignment. This episode is still brought to you, though, even though Mike is on assignment by delete me Squarespace, Claude and Steam Clock. And joining me filling in for Mike is his fellow relay co-founder, Mr. Stephen. Hackett. Hi, Stephen. Hey, Jason. Thanks for having me. Thanks for being here. Thanks for helping out

with Mike gone. I do not want this show to be a monologue because that would be super boring.

No, no one needs that. Let's not do that. Nobody wants it. I don't want it. And I would be the one

monologuing and I don't want it. So I don't want to inflict that on anybody else. Yeah. Look, we've said this before. I, you and I don't want it. So I don't want to inflict that on anybody else.

Yeah. Look, we've said this before. You and I don't get to talk about tech very much in public. And so when we do, it's always a treat. Yeah. So I'm always happy to jump in on. Together. We talk about it a lot, but not together. Right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, together in public. We're also talking behind the scenes all the time. All the time.

We're on a podcast together. Right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, together in public. We're also talking behind the scenes all the time.

All the time.

We're on a podcast together talking about tech.

And even though I am the guest, you are the host.

Yes.

I don't have time to this, Stephen, because I think we've got a Snell talk question from you.

From me.

From me.

That's what I was trying to get there. I saw you. From me. From me. That's what I was trying to get there.

I saw you.

I thought you might need a little helping hand.

Just helping you out.

Jason, I know that you have been slowly collecting more Apple Gear.

And viewers of Upgrades, see it, right?

Because it's behind you.

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