From Relay, this is Upgrade, episode 613 for April 27th, 2026.

This episode is brought to you by FitBod, Mercury Weather, Claude, and Steam Clock.

My name is Mike Hurley, and I am joined at full volume by Jason Snell.

I'm at full volume because I'm not recording in the spare bedroom today.

Oh, I see. Yes.

I, well, not yet, but this may all get erased by breaking news later that we have to record a new version of the opening in your spare bedroom.

Don't wake the baby up, hello.

Surely it can't happen again.

Upgrade.

Surely it can't happen again.

It can't happen again.

Not for 15 years.

I have a snow talk question that comes in from Andrew who wants to know.

Jason, do you listen to the niche British Restis History series, like the recent 1975 to 78 masterpiece?

If so, do you enjoy them?

I mean, of course I do. I listened to... I loved the Britain in 1974 series.

Yes.

And I'll tell you why. One of the... Okay, it's the Restis history. One of the reasons that I love the rest is history is because it is storytelling, right? It is, I don't know if I, I assume I haven't said this publicly, but I realize that they haven't done a series about the British Civil War. And Tom Holland mentioned this great book about the British Civil War, the English Civil War, sorry, English Civil War. I think it was just an English Civil War at that point. Anyway, so I got the book. I did an inner library loan. I got the book. I was like, well, I'll just read this book since they haven't done it. And what I realized is this is the sort of book that Tom Holland reads and then turns into great podcast storytelling. And it's a very long book

with very small print. And I'm not going to read that. I'm not. I'm not going to do that.

I want Tom Holland, a trained historian, or Dominic Sandbrook, a trained historian, to read about

the English Civil War and then tell an engaging story about it. So this is what I love

about the rest is history. In fact, I might even say that something like the niche rise of Margaret

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