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🗓️ 2 May 2017
⏱️ 58 minutes
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0:00.0 | It makes them sort of go to first principles and explain things to me as they would to an ignorant child. |
0:05.2 | They realize that whoever this person is, he's not some spy who has an ulterior motive. |
0:11.0 | He doesn't have some agenda that he's trying to push. |
0:13.0 | He's just here to understand. |
0:21.2 | Welcome to the Art of Jarm. I'm Jordan Harbinger. |
0:23.6 | On this episode, we'll be talking my friend Graham Wood, |
0:26.2 | author of The Way of the Strangers, |
0:28.0 | encounters with the Islamic State. |
0:30.3 | Lots of people requesting I interview someone related to ISIS. |
0:33.4 | Of course, Graham is not a member of ISIS, just to be clear. |
0:36.4 | But he's an expert in that nation. |
0:37.8 | He's had close personal contact with members of ISIS, |
0:41.2 | which in recruiters' prices, which is freaking fascinating. |
0:43.9 | Today, we'll discuss how and whom the Islamic State recruits, |
0:47.1 | who's vulnerable, how they convince otherwise normal people to throw their lives away, |
0:51.4 | how to persuade terrorists and terrorists sympathizers to talk to you in the first place, |
0:55.2 | and practicals of how to travel and work in war zones. |
0:58.6 | His job involves going frequently to places where he's never been, |
1:01.4 | and usually where people are killing each other and coming back with stories. |
1:04.5 | So yeah, he's got some experience navigating these issues. |
1:07.4 | All this and lots more with stories to boot on this episode of AOC. |
1:11.9 | And if you're new to the show, we'd love to send you some top episodes |
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