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The History of Literature

609 Swimming in Paris (with Colombe Schneck) | My Last Book with Pardis Dabashi

The History of Literature

Jacke Wilson

Arts, History, Books

4.6 • 1.3K Ratings

🗓️ 20 May 2024

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

Dear listeners: What kind of life are you living? What's your relationship between your body, mind, and soul? And what can you learn about your deepest self as you get older? In this episode, Jacke talks to award-winning French novelist Colombe Schneck about her new book, Swimming in Paris: A Life in Three Stories, in which she dives into her past to understand her present and - maybe - finds the way to a new future. Then Professor Pardis Dabashi (Losing the Plot: Film and Feeling in the Modern Novel) stops by to discuss her choice for the last book she will ever read. Colombe Schneck is documentary film director, a journalist, and the author of twelve books of fiction and nonfiction. She has received prizes from the Académie française, Madame Figaro, and the Société des gens de lettres. The recipient of a scholarship from the Villa Medici in Rome as well as a Stendhal grant from the Institut français, she was born and educated in Paris, where she still lives. Swimming in Paris: A Life in Three Stories, Schneck's twelfth book, tells the story of a woman’s personal journey through abortion, sex, friendship, love, and swimming. Help support the show at patreon.com/literature or historyofliterature.com/donate. The History of Literature Podcast is a member of Lit Hub Radio and the Podglomerate Network. Learn more at www.thepodglomerate.com/historyofliterature. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

The History of Literature Podcast is a member of the Podglamorate Network and LIT Hub Radio.

0:07.0

Hello, we travel today to Paris, a place I have been for weeks at a time, but where I only skim the surface.

0:19.0

I've never studied or worked there as I have in other places.

0:23.0

For the most part, I was stuck in my own body,

0:26.0

feeling the anxiety of being a stranger where other people felt at home.

0:32.0

I skim the surface. I skim the surface like a skater on top of a

0:39.1

frozen pond maybe or maybe even more so like an eager person on the edge of a lake

0:45.9

gazing at the water thinking there must be something going on under the surface

0:50.8

but I'm only able to see a reflection of myself, which is not what I want at all.

0:56.7

I don't want to see my own image. My physical image. That's the part of me I'm trying to escape.

1:03.0

I want to dive in to forget to experience what's inside. I don't want to skim and skate and stare. I want to swim.

1:18.0

Hopefully this will all make sense to you after we talk to our guest today who does come to us from

1:24.3

Paris and who knows something about swimming herself. Swimming in a couple of

1:29.0

senses of the word, the literal sense of going to swimming pools in Paris and learning an activity

1:35.3

that she didn't know she would enjoy, but also the sense of being in a place,

1:40.5

within a place, swimming in Paris.

1:44.2

Goldfish only know the world of the water in their bowl.

1:48.4

So too do young children growing up only know the world of their world.

1:55.0

In this case, her world was Paris, a particular slice of Paris,

1:59.8

with lefty intellectual Jewish parents living in the aftermath of the Depression, World War II,

2:06.8

the Holocaust, and the Free Love 60s.

2:11.6

What does that mean to be a child of the 70s and the 80s to grow up as the product of that

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