So I think this is interesting. I had a conflict with a listener, somebody you'd called into the show,

which to me was odd, but interesting to go through. And since I rarely have conflicts with listeners,

I thought this would be interesting for other people, and I of course have his permission to share

this audio. So the conflict began on a show that occurred on the 7th of August 2025, the show number 6053,

and its PMS girlfriend, Twitter slash X, space.

And this person called in and was asking me if virtue was a positive action or simply the

avoidance of a negative action and so on, right?

And so we had a conversation.

I'll play it for you now where I got impatient and frustrated with the conversation.

And I think you'll sort of see why.

So here's the conversation we had initially.

So I'm just curious, since UPB is inherently like a non-action because of the coma test,

um, like is, is virtue an action or can it just be like an observation of a characteristic?

Well, have you ever dieted? Yeah. Tell me about that.

Uh, well, you gotta make a plan, a shopping plan, come up with spread recipes,

find things you like, stick with it, and track your progress.

And what did you have to give up?

Sturbed, I guess.

Was that hard? Moderately. Okay, and how much weight did you? have to give up? Still did, I guess.

Was that hard?

Moderately.

Okay, and how much weight did you lose?

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