It's time for episode 607 of the Clockwise Podcast from Relay, recorded Wednesday, May 28th, 2025.

Clockwise, four people, four tech topics, 30 minutes. Welcome back to clockwise. The tech podcast where time is on your side.

My name is Dan Moore and I'm joined across the internet by my good friend, my pal, the one, the only.

Micah Sargent. How are you doing today, Micah?

It's weird because I'm not on your side

because I'm on the other side. What? We're enemies? Is that what we're saying? No, we're just on

opposite sides of the U.S. Oh, that's true. That's true. The U.S. is our table. We are divided

by the enormous table that is the Midwest. This is, of course, the show where we invite on two fantastic guests to talk about four tech topics.

To my left this week, it is senior culture writer at TechCrunch.

Amanda Silverling, welcome back, Amanda.

Hello, happy Wednesday.

And to my left, 9 to 5 Mac editor at large, it's Zach Hall. Hello, Zach. Hello. Is, is it the Midwest from

California? Think about it. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. So, uh, we have four tech topics just 30 minutes.

Let me kick this off by saying the latest tech supergroup was unveiled last week when Johnny

Ive and Sam Altman announced that they

are teaming up to make something. Are you excited? Are you interested? Are you totally cynical and

jaded about this? Where do you fall on that spectrum of anticipation over what these two are

cooking up? Amanda, we'll start with you.

My general take on this is I feel like every company is trying to make something that they

market as being like the next iPhone, whether that's like the humane AI pin that flopped

or like the rabbit device that I don't know what's going on

with that but doesn't seem like people are using it. And I feel like this is the issue of

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