It's time for episode 606 of the Clockwise podcast from Relay.

Recorded Wednesday, May 21st, 2025.

Clockwise, four people, time is marching on, and time is still marching on.

My name is Dan Moran, and I am joined across the internet, not by my usual host, Micah Sar Sargent his way this week, but to fill in for him, it is co-creator of Clockwise and

co-host Ameritist, Jason Snell. Welcome back, Jason. It's great to be here on episode 606,

which is the mark of the mild beast, possibly. And I got your day might be Giants reference in the intro. Well done. Thank you.

We're older than we've ever been, Jason. And now we're even older.

Joining us this week are two fantastic guests. To my left, it is podcast creative director,

Christopher Finn. Welcome back, Chris. Hello, folks. And to my left, it is the co-founder of

Snailed It Development, also a prolific podcaster these days.

It's Rosemary Orchard.

Hi, Rose.

Welcome back.

Thank you for having me.

All right.

We got time for four tech topics.

I'm keeping things off.

Fortnite is back in the app store in the U.S.

After five years.

Does this move the needle for either Apple or Epic in this ongoing struggle?

Is there a lasting impact to this or more to the point? Do you think it will even last?

Chris, let's start with you. Apple does not, will not really ever care about gaming at anything

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