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I'm very excited to have with us today Mark Pugsley.

Mark is an attorney according to his bio, he's a commercial litigator, who focuses on fraud.

The title of the podcast for today is Mormonism and the culture of fraud.

Most of my listeners will be familiar with the fact that Utah seems to be a hotbed of activity when it comes to pyramid schemes, scams,

you know, Ponzi schemes, securities fraud, etc.

and Mark is, you know, I would say a top litigator in Utah on these types of cases.

So we won't be digging too much, you know, we'll hear a little bit about Mark's story.

But the focus of today isn't going to be a really Mark's story, it's more going to be Mark's expertise as a litigator around fraud.

And also we're going to just tell the background of how much this goes on in Utah, why it's a problem, why you should care about this.

And then we're going to dig in just to some cool stories of maybe five or ten of the top stories that Mark's familiar with,

that he can share with us in terms of his experience as a litigator.

I hope you walk away from from all this is sort of the ability to detect scams and fraud, the ability to basically understand how they operate at a basic level,

a knowledge of what some of the main cases in the past have been, and what you need not only to prevent fraud in your life, but also in the life of loved ones around you like your parents and others.

So that's what that's all about and Mark Pugsley, welcome to Mormon Stories podcast.

Thanks John, thanks for having me.

All right, so let's just start off right off the bat by talking about, you know, why this is important and more specifically why this is important for Mormons and for people in Utah.

Okay, sure John, and I again, I appreciate you letting me come on and talk about this.

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