Hi, this is Alex Cantowitz. I'm the host of big technology podcast, a longtime reporter and an on-air contributor to CNBC.

And if you're like me, you're trying to figure out how artificial intelligence is changing the business world and our lives.

So each week on big technology, I host key actors from the company's building AI tech and outsiders trying to influence it, asking where this is all going, places like

Nvidia, Microsoft, Amazon.

So if you want to be smart with your wallet, your career choices, and at dinner parties, listen

to Big Technology podcast and your podcast app of choice. Hello and welcome to Real Crime Profile.

This is Jim Clementary, retired FBI profiler, former New York City prosecutor and writer

producer of Criminal Minds and Bluebeard on Audible.

And with me today is Kathy Canning Mell, a retired FBI profiler,

and co-host of the Audible podcast, FBI Profilers, Criminal Archives,

with my dear friend.

Jim Clementi.

How you doing, Kathy?

I'm well, how you doing?

You sound like you're echoing a little bit,

and you're not in your home anymore. No, I am in a hotel room in a faraway land, all Las Vegas. But anyway,

I can't really help the echoes, but hopefully it doesn't sound too bad. No, no, it's good.

All right.

Well, today we're going to talk about a case that we're going to revisit a case that we had talked about before.

And it is a very disturbing case.

And the trial just ended and the sentencing occurred.

And we're going to be talking about the shooting death of Sonia Massey by Sean Grayson,

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