This is popular front a podcast focus on the very niche and kind of geeky

details of Modern Warfare with me Jake Hanrahan. Today we're speaking to journalist Mike Giglio.

We're doing something a bit different.

We're going to speak mainly about his experiences covering the war on ISIS that he's written

about in his book. This is not an advertisement. He hasn't

asked me to advertise anything. It's nothing like that. It's just I've been following

Mike's work for a very long time. I think he's a very good journalist and he's written this book

Shatter the Nations and it's all about the fights against ISIS but from an on

the ground perspective and he's going to be speak to us about why that is so

important there are too many so-called experts running around who have actually

never ever even been in the countries they're talking about Mike has been to all of

the front lines and has seen it all from the

ground up. If you like what we're doing please support us on Patreon at

Patreon.com slash Popular Front.

Alright Mike. dot com slash popular front.

Um, all right Mike, um, so I normally I wouldn't do this, but you know, the book looks really interesting from the small part I've read and you know from what I've spoken to friends about it.

Maybe you can explain about this new book you've got

coming out, Shatter the Nations. Yeah, happy to. It's based on six years of my reporting from

Iraq, Syria and Turkey. And it's the story of the, and Turkey.

And it's the story of the rise and fall

of the caliphate that ISIS declared.

And what's different I think about this book

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