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I knew nothing of that relationship. I was not aware of it before that. He never I never was aware. I don't believe I ever did.

And I was asked the question before, you know, but I don't think so. I don't think I do. I don't have a specific recollection but I thought that that, well, I think now that that's...

And it seems to me that as a well at that time.

It was becoming clear as the hearings progressed that Billy Bulger's charm had run out. His typically confident and calm demeanor was cracking as the congressman's questions grew increasingly aggressive.

A recurring inquiry was about that phone call Billy took from Whitey right after he went on the lamb.

Your brother fled in December 94 and you received the phone call in January of 95 correct correct.

Okay, your brother broke the law and you are a public official. Did you go to the authorities to say that your brother had contacted you?

I informed my attorney just about a immediate land. Did you go to the officials? No. Why not? I told my attorney and he interned.

No. And he he interned totally officials.

Okay. And who interviewed you after that? Why wouldn't you just offhand? Why do you have to tell the attorney? Why don't you just...

I think you're a senator correct? Pardon me? You were a state senator at the time.

Yes. Why wouldn't you just go on to the official? Why do you need to speak through your attorney to tell the authorities that you spoke to your brother?

I have a right to do so. I exercise my right to... Why? You have a right to do it but why would you do it? Why wouldn't you just pick up the phone and say,

my brother who fled contacted me? And by the way, I'd like to know why you just didn't speak to the attorney to the authorities directly. Why did you speak through an attorney?

That was my preference.

The problem is that there is a suspicion which you obviously don't agree with, that the FBI and others were intimidated in interacting with you because you are a powerful political person.

Did the FBI ever try to question you and did you refuse to talk to them or answer them? Did you ever show them away? Did you ever suggest that maybe they should go somewhere else? Did you ever do that under oath?

I think whenever they have come, I told them I'd like to... If I'm going to talk to them, I want to do so with counsel.

Did you ever suggest to them to get lost? No. Did you ever suggest to them that you did not want to answer their questions?

I don't recall but I know that if they... So if we have someone from the FBI who comes up to us in a hearing and says,

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