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This is a special bonus episode of dirty rats. You'll be hearing an interview hosted by the producer of dirty rats grace curly. Grace had the privilege of sitting down with one of the three assistant us attorneys who prosecuted whitey balger in 2013.

In this in depth discussion you'll hear Brian Kelly share his unique insights about the bulger trial that gripped the nation. Cameras were not allowed inside the courtroom but through interviews like this one we can all get a better understanding of the unbelievable events that unfolded behind the closed doors at the mokley courthouse. Please enjoy this episode of dirty rats.

After 16 years the FBI finally has its man the tip of that investigators to a Santa Monica apartment it was white in his girlfriend agents in other task force members. I don't know how they make people like that. I don't know how we only can be like that. Please allow me to speak plainly. I do not know where my brother is. Start off with breaking news notorious monster whitey bulger is dead report surfacing that bulger was killed in a West Virginia prison.

The guy who I put in the chamber like he looked up.

He says he had a bag of peanuts please.

He is a nice eye for a notorious life monster. From HCRN studios in Boston this is dirty rats.

I am so thrilled to sit down with former federal prosecutor Brian Kelly thank you so much for being here Brian.

Sure glad to be here Grace. So Brian before we get into whitey bulger could you just tell us about your background and how you became interested in criminal justice and law.

Sure well I went to law school many years ago and this was one of the few things that I actually found to be pretty interesting litigation and especially the prosecution side of it.

I went to law school at the University of Pennsylvania and I worked at the US Attorney's Office in Philadelphia while I was a student.

They were doing a lot of different mob cases at the time and I thought it was fascinating and certainly a good use of my time and efforts.

So I thought I would pursue a career in that eventually. I started out like a lot of people do working with a large law firm.

It is hard to go right from law school to a US Attorney's Office so I actually started out in San Diego to big firm and then I went to the US Attorney's Office in San Diego.

I did a lot of federal cases involving drugs, illegal aliens, gun cases, that sort of thing. So I did that for a few years and transferred back to Boston in 1991.

And you're known for a lot of high profile cases including the big dig. I know you've overseen efforts to get back the $500 million worth of stolen artwork from the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum but I think the most well known case is whitey bulge.

That's probably right. Bulge, everyone knows about that case and in a funny way that was kind of a combination of both mob type prosecutions and public corruption because without the corruption that enabled Bulge or to commit a lot of its crimes.

He would have been stopped years before we got involved. It was a very unique courtroom scene because there would be outbursts and then you know there wasn't cameras inside but we would get reports from the newspaper that Kevin Weeks and whitey were getting in fights or Stevie Flemmey and I just wanted from your perspective as someone who was so involved in this.

What was the most memorable scene in the courtroom that you still think about or you still say, well I can't believe that was real life.

You're right. In federal court there are no cameras so none of its televisions probably too bad for that case because it was quite memorable and it was a little crazy in terms of the different witnesses and Bulge's reaction.

He was an intimidating figure even at the elderly age that he was. He was somebody to be reckoned with even at that old age and he would be glaring at witnesses. He would glare at us and there would be outbursts during the course of the trial and the judge would admonish him but I'm not sure there was one moment in particular.

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