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🗓️ 15 January 2021
⏱️ 62 minutes
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A whistle-stop tour through the history of psychological and medical approaches to sex and gender in the 20th century. This episode gives background and context to the formation of WPATH (World Professional Association for Transgender Health) and today’s “affirmative model of care” for gender issues.
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0:00.0 | You're listening to Gender, a wider lens. I'm Stella O'Malley, a psychotherapist in Ireland. |
0:09.0 | And I'm Sasha Ayyad, an adolescent therapist in the United States. |
0:14.0 | In this podcast we'll explore gender from a psychological depth perspective. |
0:18.9 | We're curious about the concept of gender and how it is unfolding in the wider culture. |
0:24.0 | Join us as we look at gender through a wider lens. |
0:28.0 | Hi Stella, how are you? |
0:31.0 | Hi Sasha, I'm good. looking forward to this episode. |
0:35.0 | Yes, so we are going to try and give an overview of the treatments that have been used for gender issues over the last half a century. |
0:50.0 | Yeah, and even further, back to the 50s, 60s maybe, I think it's complicated and there's been a lot of theories and a lot of, it's been always kind of an outlier, I suppose, in this world as far as the numbers were small. |
1:07.0 | And so there was a few experts in the field, and whatever their theories were seemed to carry the day in the era and the more we studied it I think the more shocked we were as we studied it would that be right? |
1:22.0 | Yeah I think that's fair to say I mean we're at an interesting time in history we happen to be recording this |
1:27.1 | podcast in December of 2020 and there's been a lot more public attention to the types of treatments used in recent times. |
1:38.6 | And it gives us an opportunity to look back and really scrutinize and examine the trajectory that brought us here and |
1:47.6 | whether these treatments have ever had really, really solid foundations and if they've ever been truly justified because now we have |
1:56.8 | way more patients undergoing these interventions and so there's much more scrutiny on the theory and the rationale behind them. |
2:08.3 | So shall we start with a little bit of a history lesson, Stella? |
2:13.0 | I think so. |
2:15.0 | In my kind of view, the 19th century, in the early 20th century, |
2:20.0 | it was repressive for an awful lot of different groups, and an awful lot of different groups and an awful lot of different groups really did not thrive and |
2:27.9 | Having gender dysphoria was definitely a group that did not thrive and they were very much pathologized they were left in the |
2:35.2 | outskirts people definitely trans this what's the word they they did transition on some level but generally quietly and I think the first the first actual operation was that 1931 |
2:50.0 | 1931 that's right and do you know much about it I think it was in Germany it was in Germany I don't know too much about that surgery it was hard to find information but I widely known that in 1952, Christine Jorgensen, formerly George Jorgensen, |
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