Hello everyone and welcome to Saturn returns with me Kagi Dunlop.

This is a podcast that aims to bring clarity during transitional times where there can be confusion and doubt.

I think often men have their friendships with other men they're built for comfort not

confession. We almost ring fence our male friendships for something else and what it often what intimacy looks like between men is not

what it looks like between two women or a man and a woman often intimacy for men is

almost the empathy of not going there. On this week's episode of Saturn Returns,

I am joined by author, speaker, screenwriter, and comedian Max Dickens.

Max and I grew up together in the Isle of White and have been family friends for a really long time and so I was so excited to have him on the podcast.

In this conversation we explore friendships because Max has recently written a book called Billy NoMates

which explores the dynamics of male friendships. This is something I know many of you struggle with

especially during your Saturn return as Friendship Dynamics shifts.

So I was really excited to have this conversation with Max to unpack the differences in gender and

how we approach friendships.

For instance, I found it particularly interesting how he told me that when men get together and

they gather, it tends to be more of an escapism from their real life and they tend to orchestrate it around activities

Whereas women tend to come together and dissect every aspect of their life.

I know I do that with my female friends.

As we've had many female guests on I know I do that with my female friends.

As we've had many female guests on this show,

I really enjoyed getting the male perspective

on a really important subject.

I hope you enjoy this episode and find it useful. Before we get into this

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