59 Warfare Part 8: Curses, Agreements, and Vows
The Place We Find Ourselves
Adam Young
4.8 • 2.5K Ratings
🗓️ 3 March 2020
⏱️ 52 minutes
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I am joined by Cathy Loerzel to talk about curses, agreements, and vows—what they are, how they come to be, and where to find them in our stories. Cathy articulates the difference between a curse, an agreement, and a vow. She also explains how it is the design of evil for a curse to lead to an agreement, which then leads to a vow.
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening to the place we find ourselves podcasts. I'm Adam Young and today I am joined |
| 0:06.1 | by Kathy Lorzel to talk about the reality of how curses, agreements, and vows show up in our stories. |
| 0:16.2 | If these words sound strange to you, they will hopefully make much more sense as Kathy unpacks what |
| 0:22.9 | we mean when we talk about a curse and agreement or a vow. For now, let me begin by saying |
| 0:29.9 | that curses, agreements, and vows are real things that play out in very real ways in your day-to-day |
| 0:37.6 | life and they are rooted in particular places in your story. Thank you so much for listening. |
| 0:44.1 | Here's my conversation with Kathy Lorzel. Kathy, it's good to see you. Hi, thanks for having me on, Adam. |
| 0:52.8 | So say a little bit just to introduce yourself about who you are, where you are geographically, |
| 0:59.0 | and what you spend your time doing with the Allender Center. Well, I am the executive vice president |
| 1:05.4 | of the Allender Center and founded it with Dan and Becky about, oh, I don't know, 11 years ago now, |
| 1:12.4 | officially 10 years. We're on the brink of 10 years. And I spend my days overseeing the Allender Center, |
| 1:19.1 | but also developing a lot of the training and curriculum and writing and really |
| 1:25.8 | fleshing out Dan's methodology and theory to be able to translate that into the next generations. |
| 1:32.4 | If listeners want to engage their story in more depth, I've mentioned the Allender Center before, |
| 1:37.5 | but now that we have the head of it on the line, I thought, let's spend just a few minutes |
| 1:44.0 | making a pitch for start with story workshop. Story Workshop is one of the Allender Center offerings, |
| 1:51.4 | listeners who are interested in engaging your story in more depth. That's a great place to start. |
| 1:57.8 | So can you say a little bit about what it is, who should attend, how someone should make a decision |
| 2:03.0 | about whether they should go to the story workshop? So our theory is that you can't take anyone |
| 2:08.4 | further than you're willing to go yourself. And so we also believe really passionately that the |
| 2:15.4 | way to healing is through going back into parts of your story that you don't currently understand or |
| 2:23.6 | is kind of haunting you or places that you don't even realize are impacting how you relate to the |
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