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with Dillinger historian and author Ellen Poulson, author of Don't Call Us Mals.

A marvelous book about the women behind some of the most famous bank rubbing gangsters

of Depression Era America.

In the earlier episode with Ellen, she talked about the many escapades of John Dillinger

and the women involved in his life.

In this episode we branch out and cover Mrs. Babyface Nelson, the girlfriends of the

Barker Carpiss gang and other Dillinger gang members and a little bit about Bonnie Parker,

too.

Let's go to the interview now.

One of the reasons I like your book is that you smash the stereotypes of a gun mall.

You write about a lot of different women, each their own unique character.

So if you don't mind, let's go through some of the women you devote time to in your book.

And let's start with Mary Kinder, who you call the Queen of Gangland.

Who was she and why is she honored with that title?

And Mary Kinder was called the Queen of Gangland in the media.

It's not really something that I invented, but I'll allude to the fact that she was

the Queen of the Dillinger gang.

Not necessarily the Queen of Gangland, I would give that title maybe to May West.

Somebody in the movies, you all think of Gladys George or Anne Sheridan, but for that

place of time she was called the Queen of Gangland for the following reason and I will

outline it without getting into too many geek-like technicalities.

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