This episode is brought to you by Royal London, the UK's largest mutual, life, pensions and investment company.

What even is a mutual anywhere? Well, Royal London is customer owned.

It has been since 1861. They work to support customers and wider society, to help build financial resilience,

while investing responsibly, to help build a future worth returning into.

It really is, everyone's business. Learn more at RoyalLondon.com slash mutuality.

Welcome to another episode of the Most Notorious Podcast, I'm Eric Rivenes.

A great interview, ladies and gentlemen today. I was lucky to have Ellen Poulson as my guest.

She's a John Dillinger historian, the daughter of an NYPD police officer, and an award-winning author.

I had a marathon chat with her about her book, Don't Call Us Malls.

So long that I split it into two parts.

Today's episode is all about Dillinger and some of the women that played important roles in his life, both good and bad.

Now, a bit of a heads up, this isn't an episode per se about the life and times of Dillinger.

Again, it's about his many female relationships.

We talk in passing about things like Little Bohemia, as a rest and two son, and his crown point escape, and his death, but not necessarily all of the details.

So if you don't know much about him, there are many Dillinger websites with summaries of his criminal career, that you're welcome to use as cliff notes,

or go watch the Johnny Depp movie again, Public Enemies as a refresher.

It's not necessary that this episode is fantastic on its own, but we don't go over his life and crimes in the typical narrative fashion that I do for the subjects of other episodes.

I just want you to be prepared in the best way possible to enjoy this, and of course, buying Ellen's book, again called Don't Call Us Malls, is the perfect resource for your individual study.

Now on to the interview.

Ellen Polson, thanks so much for agreeing to do this.

And thank you for having me.

There are a lot of books written about 1930s, Midwest, Bank Robbing Gangsters, but not the women who followed them.

...