Welcome to the After On Podcast.

I'm your host, Rob Reed, bringing you conversations with thinkers, founders and scientists,

their in-depth and unheard, and are structured to bring you up to a top percentile understanding

of something important.

So whether you're into startups or ideas, a techie or a lit major, take your time, engage

your mind, and you'll be glad you did.

Today's conversation will be an episode of two different shows, The After On Podcast,

which I host, and making sense, which by podcasting colleagues Sam Harris hosts.

We're doing this because we both find the subject extraordinarily important, and also

timely enough that we want to get it out there fast.

And since I've done a bunch of research that's connected to the subject and also know

the guest, Sam and I thought the quickest thing would be for me to conduct the interview,

and then for both of us to distribute it.

For making sense listeners who don't know me, my name is Rob Reed, and I'm a venture

capitalist, turned tech entrepreneur, turned science fiction author, turned science podcaster,

turned venture capitalist once again, one who steals podcasts and scribbles a bit on

the side.

My voice may be familiar because I was on Sam's show several months ago when we spent

almost four hours examining how very awful the next pandemic could be, and how we can

prevent that awful pandemic if we get our act together.

I spent about a thousand hours, literally, including over 20 scientific interviews researching

those subjects, and our episode had a fairly unusual format as a result.

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