I was nervous and so funny because I'm all about nature and I just envisioned this

beautiful documentary that was going to be kind of a healing experience as you watched it.

So it was going to be these beautiful scenes and the interviews will be outdoors and you'd see these elements of nature within the interviews.

Darren Weissman was our first interview. And we were shooting with three cameras,

three angles, and it was just like outside,

so we had to stop when the wind came.

We had to stop there's helicopters that like fly over my house for tourism.

It's like it was a disaster.

But Darren was so gracious and we ended up reshooting his interview because there were so many

pickups and it was kind of the training wheels day.

I learned so much what not to do going forward that we went back and shot his interview

months later because he was kind enough to do so.

In hindsight, yeah, I should have episode of At the End of the Tunnel.

I'm Light Watkins, your host.

Not sure if this is your first time listening to at the end of the tunnel, but if it is, I've been having conversations

with people who started movements for social good. Some people have started huge movements, some

have started medium-sized movements, and others have started small movements. The idea is to share their

stories with you so that you can be inspired to follow whatever's tugging at your heart.

So this is not just about listening to interviews, it's really about using what you hear to take the next step along your path with a little more courage and inspiration than you had before you click play on this episode.

And if that happens, I'm happy. I've done my job. Also, one note about my process.

I'm currently nomadting and I've been doing so since 2018, which means I've recorded these conversations literally all over the world.

I'm currently in Mexico City and just before I spoke with my next guest, Kelly Gores,

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