I'm pulling my driveway. We all know what that means. It's time to other drive to work.

And I have a carpool guest. Say hi, Scott. Hello. So this is Scott Van Essen. So real quick, Scott,

who, give a little preview or explanation of who you are. Sure. My name is Scott Van Essen. I was a finalist

in both the first and the second great designer

search, and that second one ended up getting me a job on dual masters. I am now the lead designer

for dual masters and have had my head in a couple other games, including the Transformers Trading

Card game. Yes. So I mentioned a while back that I had had a hand in working on the

Transformer's trading card game. And a lot of you said, oh, you got to talk about the Transformers trading

card game. So I decided to bring a special guest. So Scott and I were the two that worked on at the

most of the earliest. There's some other people that worked on it later on the process that had a big

impact. We'll talk about that.

But anyway, we had a chance to sort of start from nothing and make something.

So we're going to talk all about that.

I can't wait to tell you everything.

Okay, so here's how the story starts from me.

And then Scott can jump in on his part.

So Charlie Catino, who I've talked about on the show many times, who was one of the original playtifters, who was on the playteth team, made Mirage and Visions.

Charlie actually is in charge of the other trading card games at Wizards, the non-magic trading card games.

Mostly that has been dual masters.

Right.

But we decided to make a brand-new trading card game for Transformers.

And the problem that Charlie had was, once upon a time, we used to make a lot of games in the pit.

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