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Grammar Girl Quick and Dirty Tips for Better Writing

573 GG Until, Till, and 'Til. Dad Jokes.

Grammar Girl Quick and Dirty Tips for Better Writing

Mignon Fogarty, Inc.

Society & Culture, Education

4.52.9K Ratings

🗓️ 15 June 2017

⏱️ 13 minutes

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Summary

You've heard them called "dad jokes," but have you ever wondered why? We have a definition and also what we think is the perfect example of a dad joke. Also I'll explain how "until" and "till" are completely separate words and why you should just straight out avoid " 'til." Read the transcript at http://bit.ly/2rSMqR8. Check out all the Quick and Dirty Tips shows: www.quickanddirtytips.com/podcasts FOLLOW GRAMMAR GIRL Twitter: http://twitter.com/grammargirl Facebook: http://facebook.com/grammargirl Snapchat: http://snapchat.com/add/thatgrammargirl Pinterest: http://pinterest.com/realgrammargirl Instagram: http://instagram.com/thegrammargirl LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grammar-girl GET GRAMMAR GIRL BOOKS http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/grammar-girl-book-page

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0:00.0

Gramer Girl here. I'm Minion Fuggedy and this week I have a quick and dirty tip about the

0:10.4

words until and till. And in honor of Father's Day, which is coming up in the United States,

0:17.2

in a singular, Father apostrophe S, I have a meeting middle about dad jokes. Let's get

0:23.2

started.

0:24.2

I regularly receive questions from people who are confused about the words until, till,

0:30.4

till, till, till apostrophe, till. When you're talking about a period of time that must

0:38.2

lapse before something happens, till, till, till, till, and until, are equivalent. Don't

0:46.0

believe me? Check a dictionary. Some sources say that until sometimes has a more formal

0:51.6

sound than till, but often the two words are just interchangeable. Here are two examples.

0:58.5

We spun in circles until we were dizzy. We ran till we were breathless. And till isn't

1:06.2

a contraction of until, either. There are two separate words until actually came first.

1:13.3

It's the older word first used in the 12th century. People didn't start using until, until

1:19.4

the 13th century. Nearly all the style guides I checked recommended against using till,

1:25.6

apostrophe, T.I.L. For example, the American heritage dictionary of the English language

1:32.4

says the form is quote, etymologically incorrect, unquote. The Chicago manual of style says it

1:39.3

should not be written apostrophe T.I.L. And Garner's modern English usage calls it incorrect

1:45.7

with no literary history. In fact, Garner's says people didn't really even start thinking

1:51.2

of apostrophe T.I.L. as being okay until the 1980s. So it's really quite a recent error.

1:59.4

Many style guides also go out of their way to emphasize that till, T.I.L.L. is fine,

2:07.0

which is often a clue that at some point people said it wasn't. And given that I've had

2:12.6

to answer questions about disputes over the word, I think that if you want to completely

2:17.5

avoid controversy, it's safest to stick with until. But I'll do my part and say there's

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