I dreamt that you were twisting through seven sons of gold and the gypsy was insisting

that his story must be told I came two in the morning but I took it as a warning

that you might be a treasure.

I could touch but never hold.

Hi, everybody.

Welcome to the Soberful podcast.

It's Veronica Valley here today, and I have a great interview.

I just want to let you guys know.

We would love to hear your feedback on the show so you can

reach out on Instagram with Love Soberful or in the free Facebook group, Soberful. Or if you are

ready to take your recovery to the next level, you can join us in the Soberful Life program,

which is the essential resource for anybody who's getting sober. So this is our second

from last episode. We take our summer break. We've got one more next week and then we're going to

be off for most of July and August and we will be back in September. So I'm really excited today to

welcome Steph Goddrault. Did I say that correctly? You did. Thanks for having me.

Well, thank you. I was a guest on Steph's podcast a few weeks ago called Harder to Kill,

which I love that title. Where did you come up with that? That comes from a quote by a guy named

Mark Ripito, who's a strength coach that says something

to the effect of strong people are harder to kill and more useful in general. But I adopted it

because I was talking to a group of people who were sort of normal gym goers. And I was talking

about nutrition. And I said, well, you know, why are you here? You probably want to be healthy and

happy and harder to kill. And it just kind of came out and it stuck after that. I really like it. So I want to read a little bit of

...