And that's why it's so hard for us in the SEAL teams when one of us dies.

And since we've had so many die, we close ranks, I guess, that's what you say it.

So I mean, I, uh, and we do with it together. You got to say, I'm not alone.

Welcome to the Art of Charm. I'm your host, Jordan Harbinger.

Today, we're talking with former Navy SEAL's Marcus Latrell and David Rutherford.

We're going to talk about how civilians can develop mental toughness and how someone

without military training can cultivate and maintain self-discipline to do the difficult

things necessary to reach their goals and what mental practices Navy SEALs use to block out

distraction and physical pain to stay focused on the goals at hand. And of course, I had to ask

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you can find the full show notes for this and all previous episodes. All right, here Marcus Latrell and

RUT. So it's funny. We prepped for this so long ago. I mean, a really, really long time ago,

probably a year ago. We watched a lot of the interviews that you did, Marcus, with a lot of

journalists. And I thought these were interesting because it seemed like none of them really even

tried to put themselves in your shoes at all. I wrote down in my notes, let's be the guys that

don't screw up an interview with Marcus Latrell, right? Because I watched probably 20 interviews with

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