Okay, thank you very much. All right, time. When did we start?

Well, you wanted the call. I'm happy to facilitate the topic that you want, so dive straight in.

All right. Okay, so, yeah, so, I mean, about a year ago, I started in the Mints Behavior Change program, which unfortunately is on the Duluth model. So I took a job in the integrated mentor program, sort of thinking that I'll be helping me in because obviously, you know, I'm a guy and, you know, being through it in my life and I'm sort of helping men.

But, yeah, I was told sort of early on that it's not really poor men, it's to help women and children as it relates to family violence.

So it runs on the Duluth model.

Are you familiar with the Duluth model?

I am not.

Okay, so the Duluth model runs on power and control.

So it's kind of the standard model that runs through the police and subsequent social

services as to relates to family violence.

And unfortunately, it runs through the feminist lens as it relates to family violence.

So it sort of relates to all to power and control and the patriarchy.

I'm not sure what that would mean in terms of how things would play out in conflicts.

Okay, so basically, mostly mean to get referred through to my program, we're mostly

are referrals from corrections, so they've had an incident with the police or through the courts.

Some are self-referrals though as well.

So generally speaking, as people get referred through to the program,

they have to run through this model,

it runs through the power and control.

So generally speaking, it's always taken at the outset that the man is at fault as it relates

to family violence, which is sometimes a case, but not always.

So we kind of have to have to run through that frame.

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