56. Death on camera: How can we tackle white fragility?

Bad People

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4.4 • 1.1K Ratings

🗓️ 24 February 2022

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

In 1998, Christopher Alder spent the evening at the "student night" of a nightclub in Hull, England. The night escalated dramatically and eventually lead to a national conversation about racism and the police's treatment of Black people. A video released years after Alder's tragic death revealed audible "monkey noises", reviving the discussion about the case and the important issues it raises. In this episode of Bad People Dr Julia Shaw and Sofie Hagen discuss the circumstances that led to Christopher Alder's death, and how the case relates to Stephen Lawrence and the MacPherson report. They discuss institutional racism and why white people need to identify and dismantle their own white fragility. Warning: This episode contains graphic descriptions of violence and racism. CREDITS Presenters: Dr Julia Shaw and Sofie Hagen Producer: Simona Rata Music: Matt Chandler Editor: Rami Tzabar Academic Consultants for The Open University: Lara Frumkin and James Munro #BadPeople_BBC Commissioning Assistant Producer: Adam Eland Commissioning Executive: Dylan Haskins Bad People is produced in partnership with The Open University and is a BBC Audio Science Production for BBC Sounds.

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0:47.4	Three, two, one.
0:49.1	Sophie, you're in a group of people and a police officer walks towards you.
0:54.8	What is your first assumption regarding their intention?
0:57.5	I mean, if I'm in a group of people, I hope that the police are coming to rescue me because
1:02.5	I have been kidnapped.
1:04.2	Otherwise, there would be no explanation as to why I am suddenly surrounded by so many
1:07.8	people when I actively try not to, but I think I know what you're getting at.
1:13.1	I used to think that the police were just like only and exclusively like the nicest guys
1:18.9	to the extent where about a decade ago, I was well, long story short, I was hiding in
1:23.9	a ditch with some friends because we had illegally trespassed onto a military area as you
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